Model City Point Turntable
Model Turntable Construction

This page is intended to at least partially document how I scratch built a model of the City Point turntable for my City Point Terminal model railroad. 

Research

The first step was to gather all the images that I could find of this turntable and similar ones built by the USMRR.  I have found two real useful images of the turntable at City Point.   I believe high resolution versions of all of these images can be downloaded at no cost from the Library of Congress.

City Point Turntable
I had created a colorized version of this image a number of years ago.

another image of the
        turntable

There are several additional images with some aspect of the turntable in the scene, but they are of marginal usefulness to the modeler.
The
        turntable is in this image, but...
Here is an example where the turntable shows up in the image, but not much in the way of details can be seen.

a similar turntable
Bernard Kempinski found an image with a very similar turntable and documented it on his blog.  You can search his blog for the keyword "turntable" and find a number of useful articles.  This turntable differs in a couple of ways from the one at City Point, but otherwise provides good detail.  Two obvious differences is that this one does not have a walk along the track and the sides of the pit are framed.

The next step for me was to decide how to approach constructing a model.

Mechanical Construction

Even though the historical City Point railroad was manually operated, the idea of motorizing this turntable was a no brainer for me.  A number of years back I had built a stepper motor controller for a barn door sky tracker.  This was supposed to be used to take long exposure pictures of the night sky.  I only used the barn door tracker once.   Years ago, I disassembled it to use the motor to turn a rotating display that I used in a vintage computer exhibit.  I thought that operating a model railroad would be a much better application for this motor.  The rotating display used a automobile wheel hub that I had purchased off of eBay as the base and I figured that I could reuse the hub as the pivot point for the turntable.

I decided to start with building the movable bridge first and made an elevation view with an illustration program.  I did this in 1/87 scale so that I could print it out and build the side frames directly on the drawing.Turntable Elevation Plan View

Before making the bridge itself, I made the trucks  for the wheels.  I made these before the bridge side frames because the ends of the stringers/joists meet up with these trucks in a very specific wa.  It would be easier to get rest of the model right, if I already had the trucks built.  I made the wheels from from a couple of freight car wheel sets that were cut in half.  The trucks have semi-circular groves cut in the bottom to hold the axles.  The wheels are affixed to the frames with brass strips attached at the center of the bottom.  The flange on each wheel was also ground off in order to give me a little more room for error in putting down the rail.  The wheels are easy to slide off the ends of the frames, so I can upgrade them to the spoked type seen in the pictures at a later time.

Next, I built the side frames for the bridge.  As I was cutting and gluing together the scale lumber for the side frames,  I noticed the joist/stringer at the top was supposed to be doubled.  I had to undo some of my work to get this part of the model correct.  The Northeastern Scale Lumber was cut with a Micro-Mart chopper and glued together with Titebond wood glue.  Many pieces were trimmed to final size with a Dremel type tool with a cut off disc installed.  After the two side frames were built, I joined them together with additional pieces of lumber, making sure the spacing exactly matched HO scale track spacing.  I noticed long ago that the stringers/joists on wooden railroad bridgework is designed to support the rails in as direct a way as possible.

Turntable chassis

After joining the two sides, I noticed that the bridge was twisted slightly.  If not fixed, this would be a big problem as the tracks on both ends had to be level or they wouldn't line up with the lead in tracks when the turntable was rotated.  I had not yet installed the ties or track, so the remedy was easier than it otherwise would have been.  I loosened a couple of the key joints and soaked the whole bridge with water and reglued the loosened joints with the bridge clamped upside down on a level surface.  It still wasn't perfect after this effort, but I figured that if it wasn't good enough, I could have another go at it, later on.

By now, I had discovered in my stash, some 3/16" OD brass rod and a matching 7/32" OD brass tube.  It turns out that this brass rod fits perfectly in the tube with almost no slop. I could use the brass rod as the drive shaft for the bridge and the tube as the bearing.  This worked very well and I never did make use of the automobile hub.  Anybody want a very lightly used GM wheel hub?
Brass tubing and matching rod
At this point I decided to put a block of hardwood in the center of the bridge to act as the support for the rod that I was going to use to turn the bridge.  I cut the block to size and painted it black to minimize it's visibility before gluing it into place. 

Now, I had to execute one of the most exacting operations of this entire project.  I needed to find the exact center of the bridge (the center between all four wheels) and drill a 3/16" hole for the drive rod that was exactly 90 degrees to the span of the bridge.  I did this, inserted the brass rod and found it seemed reasonably close to ideal.  I would find out more only after I completed the pit.  I drilled a hole into the side of the block through to the center drive rod hole.  This would to allow me to add a wood screw that could be used to lock the drive rod and prevent it from slipping.

Note that this bridge is surprisingly solid for such a small model.  I think the engineers that designed this structure back in the day knew what they were doing.  I put the bridge aside and started work on the pit.
Baseplate

The pit is constructed on top of a square piece of 1/4" plywood which acts as the base for everything, including the drive wheel and stepper motor.  I was afraid that the 1/4" thickness would not be sufficiently stiff,  but I think it will be fine, as most of the base is reinforced by the 3 more layers that make up the pit.

 Turntable Pit
The pit is made of 3 circles of 1/4" plywood, all with the same outside diameter.  A hole is cut in the center of each, with smaller sized holes as you go down into the pit.  Inner dimensions are not critical, as this area will be modeled as dirt and sand when I get to adding the scenic details.   The outside circles were cut on a band saw with a simple circle cutting jig.  The inside circles were cut freehand, following a line drawn with a compass.  The top inside edge of each circle was rounded off with a router, which should help make the dirt/sand effect a bit easier to model.  Outside dimensions were chosen to provide room for the guide rail and the walking platform that I haven't yet modeled.  The center point of the pit received a small disc of 1/4" plywood.  I figured that this would be used to hold the drive rod bearing and would be mostly covered by model sand and dirt when that was added.

The center point received a 7/16" hole in order to hold a piece of the bearing tube.  I tried to make this as close to 90 degrees as possible as any deviance would cause the bridge to oscillate as it rotated.  Having a drill press helped with this alignment.

Once the pit was glued up, I used the center hole and a compass to make a line to match the exact distance from the center point of the bridge to the wheels.  Note that this isn't the same as the distance to the end of the bridge.  Geometry comes into play here and makes the wheels a slightly different distance from the center than the end of the bridge.  I glued down some shortened ties centered on this line.

Finally, I bent a piece of rail into a circle as best I could.  I spiked the rail down, using the bridge with it's drive rod inserted into the bearing as a guide.  It took a lot of tweaking to get the wheels to follow the rail correctly.  I eventually had to shim in a very small piece of extra rail in order to make the diameter of the circle a hair larger than I originally had it.  Circumference = 2 x radius x PI works only if you measure radius correctly.

At this point, I could check the level of the bridge as it rotated.  It turns out that it was off a little bit.  I decided to ream out the hole for the drive rod in the bridge just a bit and then using the slop that was now available, glue the drive rod into correct alignment.

Next I had to fabricate a drive wheel and drive band so the stepper motor could actually move the bridge.
Drive Wheel
The drive wheel is made up of two circles of wood. A 3/4" piece of pine, is cut with a diameter of 6.75 inches.  Glued to that is a 1/4" inch piece of plywood cut slightly larger, about 7.25" in diameter.  The idea is that the larger diameter piece keeps the drive belt from slipping off.  After they are glued together, a 3/16" hole for the drive rod is drilled in the center.  A two inch hole is drilled close to the center so a locking screw can be screwed into the center to hold the drive wheel solidly to the drive rod.  Finally a couple of brackets and a cross member are cut that will provide a second bearing point for the drive rod.  The cross member will also keep the drive wheel from falling off.  The cross member is screwed into place, but not glued so that it can be removed, if necessary.  Note that the drive band can't be removed without first removing the cross member.

The 7/32" hole for the bearing is drilled on a drill press with the cross member screwed into position in order to make the hole as close to 90 degrees to the plane of the pit as possible.

The stepper motor bracket, which is the same one that was originally used on the barn door tracker, is attached to the pit base with screws to allow for maintenance.
Stepper and
      drive band
The drive band was cut using a scissors from a bicycle inner tube.  After estimating the needed length, it was glued using contact cement and left to cure overnight.  It's probably just a bit too long, as it slips just a bit from time to time.  At some point I'll probably tweak the drive band length a bit.  The contact rubber on the drive wheel on the stepper motor was also cut from an inner tube.  As contact cement didn't seem to hold, it was glued again with glue from a tire patch kit.  I held the rubber on the drive with a couple of small zip ties while the glue dried.  After it dried, I decided to leave the zip ties in place.

The ties were glued to the bridge using wood glue.  I used epoxy to glue the rail to the ties rather than use spikes.  Even thought the bridge is fairly robust, it takes a lot of force to spike track and I was afraid the act of spiking would damage the structure.

At this point, a hole was cut in the top of the layout just larger than the outside diameter of the pit.  The dimensions aren't critical, but I wanted to leave room for the walk.  The turntable is held in place with three bolts set in the top of the layout and running down through matching holes drilled in the base of the pit.  It's not bolted down tight, but gravity holds the unit in place.  Nuts on the bolts can be screwed up or down to fine tune the height of the turntable, so the turntable's rails match the height of the rails on the rest of the layout.  When I do the scenery for the pit, I will probably lock everything down, as going forward, I can service the turntable without removing it.

Rails were tested for length by manually rotating the turntable and making sure that all four protruding rails are the exact same distance from lead in tracks.   I carefully ground the ends of the long rails down with a Dremel tool to even them all up. 

Powering the Turntable

The  part of this project that I enjoyed the most, was the electronics and in some ways, this is also the easiest part for me.  I use a DCC system, but I think a lot of the principals would be the same, no matter how you power your trains.

In order to power the locomotive on the bridge, you need to get power to it.  This must be done without running wires directly to the track on the bridge as eventually they will get tangled, if they are directly connected.  I decided to use two parts of the system that were already in place to get the power to the bridge.  The bridge can pick up one side of the DCC signal from the circular track that runs around the pit and the other from the brass drive rod.  This is simple and effectively solves the issue. 

The drive rod part, was easy.  I just plugged the bottom bearing that was already in the bottom cross member and soldered one pole of the DCC signal to that.  You can see the wire running to that in a previous picture on this page.  A wire is soldered from the top of the drive rod to one of the bridge tracks.  At this point, the connection from the drive rod to the drive bearing seems quite reliable.
Drive Rod Power
The pickup from the track was slightly more complicated. I could have simply used metal wheel sets for pickup.  The brass strips that hold the wheels on, could have been simply connected to the rail.  Instead, I decided to attach wipers to bottom of the trucks thinking that this may result in a more reliable connection.  I may change my mind in the future, but for now, this is what I have done.  By the time I add the walks around the perimeter of the pit, these wipers will be almost invisible, anyway.  A hole is drilled through the bottom of the pit to allow a feeder wire to reach the rail.   This is the same as how I connect power to the rest of the track ion the layout.
Bridge Truck
      Wipers
The last part of the electrical pickup problem was to prevent a short when the locomotive moves from the bridge to the rest of the layout.  If you directly connect the bridge wiring to the layout, only one end of the bridge rails will match polarity of the lead in tracks.  This is essentially the same problem as a reverse loop.
MRC AD520
The solution to this problem was to install a MRC AD520 reverse loop module between the feeders to the turntable and the rest of the layout's track power.  Fortunately, I had one of these auto reversers left over from my last layout.  I used spade type connectors for this connection to allow for easier maintenance.

The Stepper Motor Controller

For the barn door tracker project I had purchased a NEMA size 23 stepper motor with a 1.8 degree step angle.  This motor is  way overkill for the turntable application, but it was already interfaced to my stepper motor controller, so I decided to use it.  Since I implemented half step control, I get 400 steps per revolution of the motor.  The additional belt drive reduction of 21:1 gives about 8400 steps for a single complete revolution of the turntable.  This is more than enough precision for this application.
NEMA Size 23 Stepper Motor

I designed the stepper controller back in 2006 for the aforementioned barn door tracker project.  I'm not going into the details of this stepper controller design here, but I'll highlight some of the features and firmware changes that I made for the turntable application.  If you are interested in knowing more details, let me know.
Stepper Controller

The heart of the design consists of two AVR ATTINY2313 micro-controllers and a TI SN754410 Quadruple Half-H driver chip.  It has a 4 character LED display, two on board key switches and provisions for two remote inputs.

One of the AVRs has a very limited slave role and that is to drive the LED display.  It is connected to the main AVR through a simple two wire serial connection, one wire for receiving commands from the main AVR and a second wire to send responses to the main AVR.  The second response function has not been used.  This slave AVR receives commands from the main AVR which indicate which four characters to display.  The main AVR can also tell the slave AVR to flash the displayed characters at different rates or leave the display on, without flashing.  The slave AVR has no other capabilities.

The main AVR has the following functions.
The barn door was designed to be turned on and run for minutes at a time as a picture of the sky was exposed on film.  For the original barn door application, the controller supported two speeds.  One was designed to allow the device to slowly track the stars as the earth rotated.  The other speed was a maximum speed to rewind the barn door mechanism.   It also supported tweaking the speed as it tracked to adjust for the slightly changing geometry as the barn door operated.  There was also a fine tuning calibration capability.

The requirements for a turntable application are quite different.  It only needs to run for a few minutes at a time and needs real time operator control.  The slave AVR display driver firmware was not changed,  but I ended up rewriting much of the firmware of the main AVR. 

This controller now supports 3 speeds, all of which are relatively slow compared to the barn door rewind speed.   Key switch controls were changed to a very simple system.  Pressing key "A" causes the clockwise rotational speed of the turntable to increase.  Pressing key "B" causes the counter clockwise rotational speed to increase.  If you are moving in a clockwise direction and want to slow down, you press the "B" key and visa versa.  Thus to rotate a locomotive that is on the turntable, you press either key to start it moving.  Then you can increase the speed, up to two more times by typing the same key again or slow it down or stop it by typing the other key.  In practice, operation is very simple and it is very easy to stop the turntable so it is perfectly aligned with the lead tracks.  This will allow operators of the model railroad to mimic natural human behavior.  People will tend to slow down in order to attain precise positioning of objects and speed up when precision is not important.

I also added a set clock function.  This is entered automatically when the controller is powered up, or may be entered by pressing both keys at the same time.  Once in this mode, pressing the "A" key will advance the hour and pressing the "B" key will advance the minutes.  Pressing both keys at once will exit the clock set mode.

The old barn door application would display mode information when it was not currently running.  The display now always displays the current time.  Mode information can be deduced now by how fast the display is flashing.
The remote inputs were originally designed to monitor limit switches so the controller could stop the barn door when it reached either end of it's allowed travel.  The new firmware monitors these inputs exactly the same as the on board key switches.  One remote input takes on the role of key "A" and the other key "B".  With this capability, I'll be able to add a secondary turn table control panel to my layout.  The plan is to add the second control panel on the other side of this module, next to where all the track switch controls are located.

Finally, since the slave display controller AVR never sends anything back to the main AVR, I should be able to build one or more additional slave clock displays by tapping into the signal going from the main AVR to the display AVR and propagate it across my layout.

Power consumption when not actually spinning the turntable is about 60 milliamps.  When actively turning consumption goes up to about 350 milliamps.

Finished Turntable
The Finished Turntable

If you have questions or comments, feel free to contact me at (mike@willegal.net)



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