Apple 1 trivia question

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Now the trivia question.

What is the address in the silicon valley where Apple 1s were built?

To be answered in this blog in the future – post your answers in the comments section.

16 Responses to “Apple 1 trivia question”

  1. 2066 Crist Drive, Los Altos, California

  2. Sean says:

    2066 Crist Drive, Los Altos, California

  3. bill Martens says:

    Address of Steve Jobs Garage was 2066 Crist Drive Los Altos, CA 94024

  4. Mike says:

    11161 Crist Drive, Los Altos, CA though the number was changed to 2066 Crist Drive in the 80s.

  5. In the the house of the parents of Steve Jobs.

    2066 Crist Drive
    Los Altos, CA 94024

    Right ?

    Thanks.

    P@trice Freney

  6. Mike says:

    As expected, everyone thinks the boards were built in the famous garage on Crist Drive – even some reputable authors – however they were actually built elsewhere

  7. bill Martens says:

    Only other place they could have been built at the time was in Woz’s Bedroom

  8. Dan Mc says:

    Hmmm. I feel a disturbance in the Force, as if one of my long held beliefs cired out in terror and then was suddenly silenced.

  9. Mike says:

    you must feel the force around you

  10. bill Martens says:

    I know that Steve Jobs, Woz, Bill Fernandez, and Daniel Kottke built the Apple-1’s but if not in the garage or in Woz’s bedroom, then another possibility might be Bill’s house.

  11. Mike says:

    Ok – here is a visual hint

  12. bill Martens says:

    Homebrew Computer Club

  13. Mike says:

    Look closely at the vias at the top part of the two images – do you see any differences?

  14. Mike says:

    The original Apple 1’s vias are filled in with solder. This would not happen if the board was hand soldered. This indicates that the boards were wave soldered at a contract manufacturer. Also the copper area around the big heat sink shows wrinkles in most all of the original Apple 1s. This is also an indication of a wave soldering process. Steve Woziniak has confirmed this, saying that once the boards were assembled by the contract manufacturer, they were tested in famous garage. Next post, I’ll talk a little bit about the contract manufacturer.

  15. Antoine Vignau says:

    Hi Mike,
    from note 6 of your Apple 1/I page, it appears that the boards were wave soldered by NTI and probably another coany, see the applefitter.com forum @ http://www.applefritter.com/node/24536

    Antoine

  16. Mike says:

    Now the answer, as of today.

    Woz has indicated in the past to me, that the contract manufacturer was in Santa Clara, he didn’t indicate who they were.

    There are two versions of original Apple 1’s. The first version has no logo for the PCB fab/assembly house. The second version has an NTI logo. Each of the versions has slightly different solder mask characteristics, so they were probably made by different outfits. However, it is possible that in the 6 months or so between runs, that the fab house changed specs and added the logo.

    On the other hand, the Cassette Interface Adapter comes with two different logos. One is an NTI logo, that appears the same as that seen on second run motherboards. The second logo is SCC. I don’t know which run of ACI cards came first, though checking date codes on chips may reveal the details. I just haven’t taken the time to do this.

    So we have three “types” of PCBs.

    No logo
    NTI
    SCC

    Who made the “no logo” cards is just speculation at this point – nobody really knows. However, I had some help from the Santa Clara library historian in researching NTI and SCC. I went to the Santa Clara library, because Woz indicated in an email sometime back that the boards were made and assembled in Santa Clara.

    SCC – almost certainly turns out to be Santa Clara Circuits.

    From a business directory from 1977 it is located at:
    1881 Martin Ave.
    Santa Clara, CA 95050

    They are listed in the directory as a manufacturer and wholesaler of circuit boards. Note that at the time, Atari was located one block away at 2175 Martin Ave, so it is almost certain that Jobs and Woz knew of this place.

    Woz indicates that SCC “sounds right”. However, this isn’t a part of the story that he has been retelling as a part of his “standard” talk, so details could be forgotten over time. Also, what about the NTI logos on the PCBs? I’ve checked with some other early Apple employees, but haven’t received any good information from them, at least so far.

    NTI is more difficult, but the historian was able to find a reference to a newsletter from a company in Mountain View called NTI that made circuit boards. Unfortunately the newsletter is dated 1985, but it is the most likely lead. Is it possible that SCC subcontracted out the PCB fab to other companies like NTI?

    In a way, this is a trick question, as we don’t know for sure. I have one or two more leads to follow up on, but we may never get a solid answer to this question.