Archive for the ‘Datanetics PCB’ Category

MM5740 to AVR pinout mapping

Wednesday, April 4th, 2012

In the PDF at the end of this post, I have captured some notes associated with an abandoned project to use an ATMEL AVR – ATMEGA16 in place of a National MM5740 keyboard decoder. Both parts come in 40 pin DIP packages, which makes the AVR substitution idea work pretty well.

avr encoder

avr encoder


The initial idea was to check to see if the AVR could be used as a plug in replacement, with some socket stacking and rewiring. I was also considering building a Datantetics Apple 1 and Apple 2 compatible keyboard using Cherry key switches and an AVR as the encoder. The reason why I stopped this project is that costs would probably have forced a selling price of close to $200. These notes are associated only with mapping the pinouts. I had assumed that if I could make a reasonable mapping that the software would be pretty straight forward.

It turns out that there are just enough pins to do the job without any loss in functionality. The strobe control, Output enable (OE) and shift lock functions are not used on Apple II/IIplus or earlier Datantetics keyboards. The Bounce Mask function can be accomplished in the AVR’s software. The clock of the AVR can be generated by either the internal RC oscillator or an external crystal input.

The PDF follows:
MM5740-to-AVR-mapping

Datanetics Keyboard PCB Rerun Possible

Friday, March 9th, 2012

If 6 people make firm commitments to buying a Datanetics keyboard PCB, I would be willing to make a rerun. Cost would the be the same as before – $79, but would not include brackets or anything other than the PCB. Drop me an email if you are interested.

Reproduction Datanetics Keyboard

Reproduction Datanetics Keyboard

Complete Information on MM5740 Keyboard Decoder Found!

Tuesday, February 14th, 2012

I’ve done several online searches for a complete MM5740 data sheet over the last several years. There is a version that can be found on many of the data sheet archive search engines, but it is missing at least one page, containing crucial information. I knew it was part of National’s MOS/LSI data book from the mid ’70s, but I couldn’t locate an online version of that book, and I really didn’t want to buy a physical copy. One of the key questions that couldn’t be answered with the existing online data sheet, is what exactly is the difference between the AAC/AAD/AAE/AAF versions.

Finally while exploring the possibility of using an AVR as a replacement decoder for the MM5740, I did another search and the data book turned up as a PDF at bitsavers.org. The last page of the data sheet show that the AAE version has N-key rollover and the AAF version has 2-key rollover. Otherwise they are the same. This means that the AAF version should be usable in the Apple/Datanetics keyboards, only with the loss of the n-key rollover feature. Also, in this data book are some app notes, that provide information on the AAC and AAD versions. Those versions decode the matrix differently, in order to make using an external PROM decoder simpler. They will not be compatible with Apple/Datanetics keyboards.

Once I figure out the best way to cut it out of the complete data book, I’ll put a copy of the complete MM5740 data sheet and associated app notes up on one of my web pages. For now, you can try to download the complete National MOS/LSI data book from bitsavers.org. Recently, I’ve have trouble accessing that site, but if you are persistant, you should be able to get through.

One project complete – Datanetics PCBs sold out

Thursday, October 20th, 2011

Finally, I sold the last of the 10 Datanetics PCBs that I had made last year. I don’t expect to make another run of these since the market for them is so tiny. I guess about the only way that that another run would happen, is if someone is willing to buy an entire batch and finances the whole thing.

I am glad I did this project, as now I have a nice matching keyboard for my personal Mimeo 1.

The one thing that surprised me about this project, is that no owners of original Apple 1s that needed a matching keyboard bought a PCB to build up. Original keyboards appropriate for Apple 1’s are extremely rare and a number of the original Apple 1s don’t have the original keyboards. I’m learning that many people get enjoyment out of owning, admiring and preserving original artifacts, without the risk of operating them. Other people, like myself, get more satisfaction out of operating the old style gear. I think that there is an important place for both types of people in this hobby.

Though the Datanetics keyboard project was a money loser, I am really glad that John Calande talked me into doing it. He also lent me the original Datanetics keyboard he owns, which greatly facilitated this project. Also thanks to Mike Gregory for fabricating the brackets and stiffeners.

Only 2 Replica Datanetics PCBs left

Saturday, July 9th, 2011

It is highly unlikely that another run of these will be made. Checkout my Datanetics webpage and the Datanetics catagory of this blog for more information.

Also, on a related note, it appears that littlediode.com has MM5740/AAE keyboard encoders in stock.

Datanetics Keyboard Enclosure

Sunday, March 6th, 2011

While I’m waiting for Brain Board beta feedback, I finished assembling the Datanetics Keyboard Enclosure I built to match my Mimeo 1 Enclosure. Here is the final result. Not my finest work, but it will have to do.

Datanetics Keyboard Enclosure

Datanetics Keyboard Enclosure

VCF East 2011

Saturday, February 26th, 2011

Well, the family will have to hold down the fort for a weekend in May while I exhibit at VCF East 2011. If you want to see my stuff in person without buying it, here is your chance.

Here is the link with VCF information

Mind Blowing Update #2

Sunday, February 6th, 2011
less blur

less blur

After much delay mostly do to distractions with other projects, the software is done with no known open issues and the prototype board is working great. The production PCBs are order and will arrive in about 5 weeks. I thought I could get quick turn PCBs made, but this wasn’t to be, hence the long lead time. Here is timeline for future announcements and release.

1) I hope to have time to put together a video podcast showing a demo of prototype, so everyone can finally see what this is about. I hope to be able to post this sometime next weekend. I’ll also announce target pricing at that time.

2) The rest of the parts for the first production run will be ordered.

3) After taking a day or two to assemble and check one of the production boards for myself, I have two Beta testers lined up and they will get a few weeks to check out the board.

4) A web page will be created with downloadable instruction manual.

5) Assuming all goes well, I hope to be shipping in about 8 weeks.

Mind Blowing Apple Add On Update

Friday, January 7th, 2011

This “Apple Add On” project is nearly complete. I have a prototype working, but need to tweak the software a bit. If I had pushed it. and put the Datanetics project aside, I could have completed it prior to Christmas. However, I have a bit of money tied up in the Datanetics PCBs and wanted to recoup at least some of it, before proceeding with another project that included a PCB build. That Datanetics PCB build is one project of mine that will never pay for itself, so don’t expect a rebuild in the future.

I have purchased a few of the more expensive components for the “Apple Add On”, along with some Datanetics parts that I needed. However, I’m not proceeding with the rest of component purchases or PCB build until the remaining 3 Datanetics PCBs are sold. If I can’t sell the remaining Datanetics PCBs via my my blog by the end of the month, I’ll go the eBay route. If you are thinking of waiting for the eBay sale, keep in mind that I will probably raise the price for the eBay sale, to account for added eBay costs. Selling these boards will free up enough “hobby” money to allow me to move on the “Mind Blowing Add On” PCB build.

radial blur

radial blur

I’m anxious to get moving on this, as I think it is a pretty nifty project that will sell for well under a hundred bucks and a lot of Apple enthusiasts will get a kick out of.

Datanetics Up and Running

Wednesday, December 29th, 2010

Check out my latest video podcast (#23) for a video demo.

reproduction datanetics keyboard up and running

reproduction datanetics keyboard up and running

If you requested a board, I am shipping now. If you did not request one, you can be added to the wait list, send me an email, as I have a couple of extras that haven’t been spoken for.